Briefing Binder: House of Commons Standing Committee on Public Accounts (PACP) - Auditor General Reports 7 and 8

Opening Statement

Scott Jones, President, Shared Services Canada - Standing Committee on Public Accounts (PACP)

To Address the Office of the Auditor General Reports on Modernizing Information Technology Systems, and Benefits Delivery Modernization Program

December 14, 2023

Mr. Chair and members of the Committee, I am pleased to be here today to address the Auditor General’s recent reports and Shared Services Canada’s progress on their recommendations.

Before I begin, I’d like to acknowledge that we are gathered on the traditional, unceded territory of the Algonquin Anishinaabe People. 

With me today from SSC are: Scott Davis, Chief Financial Officer, and Shannon Archibald, Assistant Deputy Minister of our Hosting Services Branch.

SSC welcomes the findings of the audit and its recommendations. This audit will help the Government of Canada strengthen and improve its information technology systems and hosting services.

Mr. Chair, modernizing the Government of Canada’s IT systems requires an enterprise-wide approach and SSC is committed to collaborating with departments and their Chief Information Officers to achieve this.

SSC provides the foundational IT infrastructure for departments to host their applications, so that Canadians have access to secure digital programs and services.

While SSC is responsible for the Government of Canada IT infrastructure, it is important to note that departments are responsible for modernizing or decommissioning the applications that run on SSC infrastructure.

SSC has a plan in place to address aging infrastructure, as the AG’s report pointed out, and we are working on it.

SSC continues to collaborate with the Treasury Board Secretariat and all departments to advance modernization goals and ensure that outdated IT infrastructure, is replaced with modern and stable hosting solutions.

As part of that process, we are working with TBS, departments and their Chief Information Officers to identify applications most at risk.

Investments over the last two years have allowed us to renew the base infrastructure of the government and, through that, the core network is being completely transformed into a modern network.

To support the modernization of applications by departments, SSC is offering modern hosting solutions, including cloud services and GC state-of-the-art Enterprise Data Centres. These modern solutions are key to be able to offer digital services and programs to Canadians.

For example, SSC is working on private cloud to offer opportunities to modernize applications, and edge solutions to address latency needs.

Through our Hosting Services Strategy, SSC will continue to support applications across departments and improve the security and the stability of Enterprise Data Centres.

This Hosting Services Strategy will also offer solutions tailored to different workloads and applications. Focusing on innovation, sustainability and cyber security will ensure we efficiently serve Canadians while building stronger partnerships and inspiring confidence and trust.

For Employment and Social Development Canada’s Benefits Delivery Modernization Program, SSC is providing the underlying cloud connectivity and associated procurement vehicles.

More precisely, SSC is responsible for designing and modernizing the digital infrastructure to support benefits delivery modernization through rigorous project planning, oversight and governance. 

SSC continues to work closely with ESDC to provide guidance and advisory services on the various components of the digital solution.

To better communicate and collaborate with all departments across government, SSC has launched Digital Together. This plan is designed to accelerate progress in areas of digital services, connectivity, hosting and cyber security. 

Mr. Chair, SSC acknowledges the need for efficient and cost-effective modernization. Under Digital Together, we identify and prioritize initiatives that respond to the government’s priorities, while aligning with digital modernization goals and our enterprise approach. 

This is a journey that will be powered by both larger scale modernization of legacy platforms, as well as ongoing improvements in the way Canadians interact with technology to access services. Decommissioning legacy infrastructure is complex and requires collaboration with departments to ensure there is no disruption to critical business applications.

By working together and leveraging the strengths of partners, SSC can address the complex challenges facing the government and deliver innovative solutions that drive positive, secure change for Canadians.

Mr. Chair, to summarize, SSC has a plan to have a stable IT infrastructure and to ensure connectivity coast to coast. We will continue to look for ways to innovate and improve. However, to achieve this vision, continued investments will be required.

Thank you. We would be happy to answer your questions.


Delivering Digital Together

Issue

Shared Services Canada (SSC) has a new strategic plan to drive operations—modernizing the Government of Canada (GC) information technology (IT) ecosystem and implementing new capabilities.

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Background

As part of its mandate to consolidate and standardize IT infrastructure for the GC, SSC has continued to evolve and improve how it provides shared IT services to its partners and clients.

Today, the post-pandemic hybrid work environment, ongoing technological changes, and the growing requirement to deliver services digitally are all driving the need to continue evolving our approach, while building on the successes and lessons learned over the past 4 years.

OAG Audit of Modernization of Information Technology Systems – SSC Management Action Plan

Recommendation  Management Action Plan  Position Responsible  Completion Date 

Shared Services Canada (SSC) should:

  • analyze the financial and non-financial impact of continuing to operate legacy applications and infrastructure instead of migrating modernized applications to new or modernized infrastructure

1. Develop a proof of concept/preliminary FINOPS model and data collection process

  1. Develop methodology for data collection process and/or access to consumption data
  2. Determine measures for reporting on utilization and other metrics per department
Chief Financial Officer Branch (CFOB) 

December 31, 2024

2. Strategic reporting

  1. Report on Cost of Hosting Services by partner, including non-financial reporting, such as risk, evergreening, etc.
CFOB  April 30, 2024 

3. Regular updates and progress reporting

  1. Align with the annual Departmental Plans on Service and Digital (DPSD) updates
CFOB  April 30, 2024 
  • in coordination with the Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat and partner departments and agencies, undertake a review and prioritization exercise, including estimated timelines and budget, to modernize and migrate legacy applications to new supporting infrastructure and close the remaining legacy data centres

1. Develop and implement an evidence-based decision framework for the prioritization and execution of legacy workload migration projects for:

  1. Large and complex legacy data centres
  2. Small and medium legacy data centres

Workload Migration Program – Project Management and Delivery Branch (PMDB)

Data Centre Facilities Management –

Hosting Services Branch (HSB)

Completed

August 31, 2024

2. Develop and implement a comprehensive costing model for legacy workload migration projects.

Workload Migration Program – PMDB

Completed 
3. Work with TBS and partner organizations to prioritize, plan and cost the migration of the remaining GC applications in legacy data centres to optimal hosting solutions.  Workload Migration Program – PMDB, in collaboration with HSB

September 30, 2024

4. Develop a decision framework to prioritize closures of legacy data centres. Data Centre Facilities Management – HSB  March 31, 2024 

Notes on context:

Auditor General’s Report on Modernizing Information Technology (IT) Systems

Issue

On October 19, 2023, the Auditor General of Canada tabled a report in Parliament that included a chapter on Modernizing Information Technology (IT) Systems. The audit’s objective was to determine whether Treasury Board Secretariat (TBS) and Shared Services Canada (SSC) have led and supported the efficient and effective modernization of IT systems across government. The audit presented 5 recommendations: 1 for SSC and 4 directed at TBS.

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Audit recommendation for Shared Services Canada (SSC)

Part 1: Analyze the financial and non-financial effects of continuing to operate legacy applications and infrastructure instead of migrating modernized applications to new or modernized infrastructure.

Part 2: In coordination with TBS and other departments and agencies, undertake a review and prioritization exercise (including timelines and budget) to modernize and migrate legacy applications to new infrastructure and close the remaining legacy data centres.

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Benefits Delivery Modernization

Issue

Outlining Shared Services Canada’s (SSC) role in the delivery of the Benefits Delivery Modernization (BDM) program at Employment and Social Development Canada (ESDC).

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Background

Roles and responsibilities by department:

Shared Services Canada (SSC)

Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat (TBS)

Employment and Social Development Canada (ESDC)

Tools capable of extracting data from Government of Canada devices

Issue

Media and MPs have raised concerns regarding the use of tools capable of extracting data from mobile devices and other assets within the Government of Canada (GC). While the media narrative makes reference to “spyware,” that is not an accurate description of the tools used by Shared Services Canada (SSC).

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Background

Media began reporting on the use of “spyware” by 13 government departments during the week of November 29, 2023, suggesting that government agencies are “ignoring” the federal mandate to conduct a privacy impact assessment (PIA). Since the media reporting began, the Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics has agreed to conduct a study of the use of these tools, beginning on January 29. SSC has been named as one of the witnesses to be called to the committee for this study.

Diversity and inclusion in procurement

Issue

The Government of Canada (GC) has set a priority on increasing diversity and inclusion in procurement.

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Shared Services Canada’s involvement in ArriveCAN

Issue

The ArriveCAN application continues to be under scrutiny.

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Supply chain integrity

Issue

Concerns have been raised regarding the presence and/or access to the Canadian market of information and communication technology (ICT) products manufactured by Chinese owned entities. There are claims that some of these entities have direct ties to the Chinese government. For example, companies such as Huawei and Lenovo are often mentioned.

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Blocking TikTok, WeChat and Kaspersky

Issue

The Government of Canada (GC) banned TikTok, WeChat and Kaspersky mobile applications from government-issued devices.

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Cyber security overview

Issue

Addressing cyber security is a shared responsibility between Shared Services Canada (SSC), the Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat - Office of the Chief Information Officer (TBS-OCIO) and the Communications Security Establishment’s (CSE) Canadian Centre for Cyber Security (CCCS).

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Auditor General’s Report on Cybersecurity of Personal Information in the Cloud

Issue

In November 2022, the Auditor General of Canada tabled a report in Parliament that included a chapter on Cybersecurity of Personal Information in the Cloud. Shared Services Canada (SSC), Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC), the Communications Security Establishment (CSE) and the Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat (TBS) were in scope. The audit presented 5 recommendations—4 directed at TBS and 1 made jointly to SSC and PSPC. In March 2023, SSC appeared before the Standing Committee on Public Accounts (PACP) alongside TBS and CSE to address questions stemming from the audit. The Committee was satisfied with SSC’s progress and encouraged the department to pursue planned measures, including guardrail automation.

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Background

Proportionately, cloud represents a small percentage of application hosting solutions. Over 90% of all applications are hosted in GC-managed data centres, with the remainder in the cloud.

SSC acts as a centre of excellence for cloud services across the government, providing technical expertise and tools to guide customers.

The Auditor General undertook this audit for the following reasons:

Cloud overview and way forward

Issue

The Government of Canada (GC) is evolving its approach to the use of cloud services.

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Next Generation Human Resources and Pay initiative

Issue

Shared Services Canada (SSC) led the initial phase of the Next Generation Human Resources and Pay (NextGen HR and Pay) initiative to assess the viability of a commercial HR and pay solution for the Government of Canada (GC).

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