Standing Committee on Public Accounts Auditor General’s Report on Canada Revenue Agency Contact Centres

Opening statement

Scott Jones
President
Shared Services Canada

Ottawa, Ontario
October 28, 2025

Thank you, Mr. Chair, for the opportunity to discuss the Auditor General’s Report on Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) contact centres.

I am accompanied by Kristin Brunner, Assistant Deputy Minister, Digital Services Branch; and Scott Davis, Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer (CFO).

Before we begin, I would like to acknowledge that we are on the traditional, unceded territory of the Algonquin Anishinaabe People.

Introduction

Shared Services Canada (SSC) welcomes the Auditor General’s findings. They help us continue to improve and support vital service delivery to Canadians.

SSC agrees with the recommendations; many have already been implemented and we are working to address the remaining items.

SSC provides essential IT services to departments and agencies that enable secure connectivity, cyber security, hosting and digital services.

I am very proud of our dedicated teams that work 24/7 to ensure secure, reliable digital services.

Since its creation, SSC has worked relentlessly to modernize IT infrastructure the while consumption of our services skyrocketed.

Today, SSC is at the forefront of driving digital transformation for the government.

Contact centres

Part of our work is to provide technology solutions for roughly 220 contact centres for our partners across government. They vary in size and complexity based on our partners’ business needs, such as consumption, infrastructure and capabilities.

They support major programs like Employment Insurance, Old Age Security and the Canada Pension Plan, as well as smaller programs like Transport Canada’s Marine Safety and Security program.

Every day, these systems route calls to thousands of agents across the country who have the right expertise to respond to questions.

Demand can fluctuate rapidly, requiring a scalable and flexible infrastructure to adapt quickly to changing circumstances. Contact centres are built on technologies that continue to evolve rapidly, as do industry business models.

I am proud that the contact centres are stable and reliable, without a major outage since 2021.

It is important to note that while SSC is responsible for administering the contract— providing the IT infrastructure for contact centres—our partners decide what features to enable, which results in higher costs.

Current contract

The Auditor General’s report examined a contract awarded over a decade ago, in 2015, long before modern cloud services existed.

I would like to take the opportunity to clarify the contract currently in place.

The $50-million minimum is not and was never an estimated contract value. This is a mischaracterization and paints an inaccurate picture. A minimum commitment provides assurance to the vendor that they can recoup their initial set-up investment.

At the request of the government, the vendor set up multiple data centres and ensured redundancy to meet the requirements of SSC’s 2 primary partners, CRA and Employment and Social Development Canada.

This competitive contract is within budget. As of June 2025, the total cost for the first 10 years of the contract is $190 million. SSC’s total procurement authorities for this contract are $300 million.

The contract’s performance was regularly reviewed and monitored internally and by departments. Amendments that increased the overall value of the contract reflected increased usage by CRA, added features to support agents and other business requirements from our partners.

SSC has a well-established process in place to validate invoices and rigorous internal reviews by our Chief Financial Officer Branch. We are transparent and collaborative with our partners about billing.

In short, the government has paid about $20 million per year to operate the 8 largest contact centres in the GC. SSC now supports 13 contact centres through this contract. These are some of the largest and most complex contact centres in government.

Mr. Chair, SSC is also using this service for its own help desk. I can assure you that the GC has received good value for money spent.

The Auditor General also mentioned that she will audit this contract. We welcome this opportunity to work with her and her team, and I am confident that we will demonstrate our sound management, comprehensive reporting and monitoring.

New contract responds to Auditor General’s findings

SSC has actively worked with industry and our partners, including CRA, to apply lessons learned in awarding a replacement contract in July 2025.

The new contract addresses the Auditor General’s key findings pertaining to SSC with 3 key features.

First, it includes stronger financial oversight and clearly defined roles for SSC and CRA.

The new contract replaces custom requirements with standard commercial services. Government discounts are applied to the vendor’s public catalogue, which simplifies financial management and improves transparency.

Second, the OAG report noted that SSC could not clearly define CRA’s individual usage on our bill—SSC had been receiving a single invoice for the GC’s total consumption.

With the new services, this is significantly improved. SSC established a separate contract for CRA, which will provide CRA with improved usage reporting and cost tracking.

Finally, while the old contract defined the specific features of the service when it was signed, the new contract gives CRA access to the full range of current and future commercial features offered by the vendor, including more autonomy to deploy and manage features as their needs evolve without reopening the contract.

These improvements are important and reflect the model by which SSC works iteratively with partners like CRA, refining service offerings to fit the service and stewardship objectives of the government.

Additional benefits of the new contract

And there are many other benefits with this new contract.

It provides a commercial solution to manage client interactions across multiple channels, including phone, email and chat, that helps serve Canadians when and how they wish.

The existing contract uses what we call “on-premise” technology. That means that the vendor purchased hardware infrastructure that is hosted in a data centre and dedicated to this program’s use.

When we want to add capacity, new features or contact centres, that might mean we need to procure more hardware or additional space in the data centre. This takes time and makes it cumbersome to pivot during surges like tax season.

The new contract uses a modern “cloud” platform. That means capacity can be switched on—or switched off—rapidly. It is elastic and adaptable to CRA’s needs.

This new solution will help improve the services that CRA provides to Canadians.

Conclusion

Mr. Chair, reports from the Auditor General are an important tool to hold us accountable and assure Canadians that the government is properly run.

SSC is committed to this and will continue to drive efficiencies across government, creating savings and value for taxpayers.

We will also collaborate with the OAG on the audit of this contract.

Thank you for your attention. I’d be pleased to answer your questions.

New call centre contract

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Issues with Old HCCS Contract

  1. Awarded in 2015, way before modern cloud services existed.
    • Solution in New CCaaS Contract: Uses modern cloud technology and business models to improve service and reduce costs.
  2. Relied on on-premises infrastructure, requiring physical space and hardware to increase capacity, which is costly and time-consuming.
    • Solution in New CCaaS Contract: Uses cloud services with scalable capacity that can be switch on/off and consumed only when needed.
  3. CRA could not tailor requirements directly with the service provider; SSC had to be involved.
    • Solution in New CCaaS Contract: CRA can now tailor requirements directly with the provider, enabling faster adaptation to changing needs.
  4. Government was invoiced for total platform usage across departments. SSC had to manually break down partner costs based on their individual usage.
    • Solution in New CCaaS Contract: Separate contracts for each department with improved billing and data tracking, enabling better validation of the bills.
  5. Used custom government requirements and pricing models, leading to complex interpretation and management.
    • Solution in New CCaaS Contract: Uses standard commercial services and public pricing, simplifying contract management.
  6. Usage-based billing, meaning that the government only paid for what it was using. It also required one-time infrastructure investments to increase capacity.
    • Solution in New CCaaS Contract: Will continue to only pay for what the government is using, but no infrastructure investments are needed to scale capacity as the solution in based in the cloud.

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Performance requirements

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Invoice validation

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Contract amendments

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Shared Services Canada Government Transformation

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As the Government of Canada’s common information technology (IT) services provider, Shared Services Canada plays a central role in driving government transformation and creating government-wide efficiencies—in close collaboration with the Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat’s Office of the Chief Information Officer and Public Services and Procurement Canada.

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Background

Shared Services Canada is responsible for modernizing, securing and managing the IT infrastructure that supports departments and agencies. This ensures reliable and effective service delivery to Canadians, both domestically and abroad.

The Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat’s Office of the Chief Information Officer sets government-wide direction for data, IT, cyber security and service management, while individual departments and agencies remain responsible for their own applications and data.

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Background

To guide the responsible use of AI, the Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat released key resources, including the Directive on Automated Decision-Making, the Guide on the use of generative artificial intelligence and the Algorithmic Impact Assessment tool.

Digital sovereignty

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Digital sovereignty ensures a country retains control over its digital infrastructure, data and critical technologies. This protects national security, supports economic competitiveness and allows the country to operate independently in the digital age. It includes:

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Background

Due to the global dominance of U.S.-based technology vendors and the comparatively small size of Canada’s IT sector, targeted interventions are essential to scale Canadian capabilities. Cloud computing, in particular, is dominated by Amazon Web Services, Google Cloud and Microsoft Azure, posing challenges to operational and technological sovereignty.

Advanced cyber threat actors are increasingly using supply chains to bypass traditional security defences by introducing vulnerabilities. Since 2012, Shared Services Canada has mitigated this risk through Supply Chain Integrity (SCI) procurement reviews for equipment, software and services. These assessments help departments and agencies to identify and potentially mitigate security vulnerabilities before they impact operations.

The Government of Canada (GC) has made strategic investments in Canadian IT firms, including a March 2025 announcement by Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada (ISED) of up to $240 million in funding for Toronto-based Cohere Inc. This investment marks Cohere as the first recipient of the AI Compute Challenge, part of the $2 billion Canadian Sovereign AI Compute Strategy. In August, the GC signed a Memorandum of Understanding with Cohere to explore opportunities for deploying AI technologies across the GC to enhance operations within the public service and to build out Canada’s commercial capabilities in using and exporting AI.

Shared Services Canada procurement

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Background

GC contracting is governed by well-established laws, regulations and government-wide policies. SSC complies with the Financial Administration Act, the Government Contracts Regulations, the Directive on the Management of Procurement, the Policy on the Planning and Management of Investments, the Code of Conduct for Procurement, trade agreements, court decisions, the Policy on Green Procurement, the Procurement Strategy for Indigenous Business and the Nunavut Directive.

Cyber security

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The Government of Canada (GC), like all organizations worldwide, faces ongoing cyber threats from bad actors, on a national and international level, that require constant attention and strong security measures. Cyber threats are becoming more complex and sophisticated. These include criminal activities such as ransomware attacks and attacks by state-sponsored adversaries.

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Cyber security is a shared responsibility across the GC:

The GC Cyber Security Event Management Plan (GC CSEMP) outlines how different departments respond to cyber incidents. Smaller issues are handled by the affected department, while serious ones are managed by teams led by TBS and the Cyber Centre. SSC’s responsibilities during a cyber security event include watching for unusual network activity, blocking cyber threat activity, assessing service impacts, reporting through the Cyber Centre and implementing prevention, mitigation and recovery efforts, such as emergency patching and isolating infrastructure.

Delays to RCAF tech

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Shared Services Canada (SSC) is mandated to provide secure and reliable IT services and tools to 45 partner departments and agencies, including the Department of National Defence (DND). This ensures that government operations are supported by robust and secure IT infrastructure.

Office of the Auditor General (OAG) Contact Centres Report

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In 2013, the Government of Canada made the decision to pursue a consolidated contact centre solution. In 2015, SSC awarded a contract to IBM for the HCSS system. It included new functions such as call routing to agents with relevant knowledge, nation-wide call queuing, an integrated voice-response system, estimated wait times and workforce management functionalities. The contract was designed to include many features that give the CRA and other departments the flexibility to choose and implement as their business requirements evolved over the life of the contract.

OPO report on bait and switch

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Background

The review examined how often the individuals listed in a winning bid are not the ones who end up doing the work, a practice often called 'bait and switch’. While the review found that SSC had no conclusive findings of intentional “bait and switch” practices, it highlighted some compliance issues, including insufficient documentation, replacement resources not consistently meeting mandatory criteria, and inconsistent application of evaluation standards. The review’s recommendations included:

The Ombud noted that policy changes made by PSPC effectively eliminate the use of ‘Bait and Switch’ tactics from being used.

OAG Network Cybersecurity Report

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The GC, like all organizations worldwide, faces ongoing cyber threats from bad actors on a national and international level that require constant attention and strong security measures. Cyber threats are becoming more complex and sophisticated. These include criminal activities such as ransomware attacks and attacks by state-sponsored adversaries.

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