Standing Committee on Public Accounts (PACP) - June 8, 2021

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Standing Committee on Public Accounts (PACP)
43rd Parliament, 2nd Session

Meeting 37
Tuesday, June 8, 2021, 11:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m.
Room 410, Wellington Building, 197 Sparks Street
Televised

Report 7, Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy, of the 2021 Spring Reports of the Auditor General of Canada

Witnesses

Office of the Auditor General

Canada Revenue Agency

Department of Finance

Opening Remarks

Speaking notes for Mr. Bob Hamilton, Commissioner of the Canada Revenue Agency

Standing Committee on Public Accounts (PACP)
Report 7— Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy

Ottawa, Ontario
June 8, 2021

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Good morning Madam Chair,

I am pleased to be with you once again to discuss Report 7 – Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy (CEWS), released in Spring 2021 by the Office of the Auditor General of Canada.

With me today are Mr. Ted Gallivan, Assistant Commissioner of the Compliance Programs Branch, and Mr. Maxime Guénette, Assistant Commissioner of the Public Affairs Branch and Chief Privacy Officer for the CRA.

My focus today is on the CRA’s response to the motion adopted during Meeting 27 of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts (PACP) related to its study of Report 7.

The motion requested that both the Department of Finance and the CRA provide the Committee with “… all studies, data and analysis used for the implementation of the Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy, that these documents be provided to the Committee with redactions for Cabinet confidence and personal information, and that these documents be provided to the committee no later than May 27, 2021.”

Upon adoption of this motion, the CRA immediately set to work to meet the Committee’s expectations. I would like to acknowledge the efforts of numerous employees across the Agency, representing both a significant — and necessary — time investment to perform this work within the stipulated deadline.

Their effort underscores the seriousness with which the CRA takes its duty to be both transparent and accountable to Parliament and to Canadians.

Thank you again Madam Chair. We welcome any questions you may have today.

Supporting Documentation

OAG Spring 2021 Report – Report 7

2021 Reports of the Auditor General of Canada to the Parliament of Canada

Report 7—Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy

Auditor General of Canada’s Opening Statement to the News Conference (March 25, 2021)

Good afternoon. I am pleased to be here to discuss the first of many audits on the government’s response to the COVID 19 pandemic that my office will conduct. Today, I also provided Parliament with our report on the Investing in Canada Plan.

There is no doubt that the COVID 19 pandemic was an all-hands-on-deck emergency the world over. Governments had to mobilize quickly to respond to the public health, social, and economic effects of this pandemic. Canada was no exception.

While we found that the government was not as ready as it could have been for a pandemic of this magnitude, the public service mobilized, prioritized the needs of Canadians and quickly delivered support and services.

We did not observe the same service mindset and inter-departmental coordination in our audit of the Investing in Canada Plan, which I will turn to first. The Investing in Canada Plan is important because the government is investing $188 billion to generate long-term economic growth, improve communities’ resiliency, support the transition to a green economy, and improve social inclusion and socio-economic outcomes for all Canadians.

Infrastructure Canada is unable to present a full picture of results achieved and progress made under the Investing in Canada Plan. We found that the Department’s reporting excluded almost half of the government’s investment because it did not capture more than $92 billion of funding that was committed before the Plan’s creation in 2016. In addition, Infrastructure Canada’s reporting captured only some programs each year, making it impossible to compare results year-over-year. The clarity of reporting was also impacted by inconsistent information received from federal partners in the Plan. The absence of clear and complete reporting on the Investing in Canada Plan makes it difficult for parliamentarians and Canadians to know whether progress is being made against the intended objectives.

The issues affecting the Investing in Canada Plan are not new. We have seen similar problems in many past audits in areas that require cross-departmental or cross-jurisdictional collaboration, such as Indigenous issues and climate change. This audit is yet another example of the need for the government to act on known issues, in this case the need for broad collaboration and clear reporting on results for this large initiative.

In contrast, we observed nimbleness during our audits of the government’s COVID 19 response. I am going to turn first to the Canada Emergency Response Benefit. With this benefit, the government wanted to quickly deliver financial support to eligible individuals.

We found that the Department of Finance Canada, Employment and Social Development Canada, and the Canada Revenue Agency rose to the challenge and quickly analyzed, designed and delivered the Canada Emergency Response Benefit.

To simplify the process and get support to people quickly, Employment and Social Development Canada and the Canada Revenue Agency took the approach of relying on personal attestations and automated pre-payment controls to validate applicants’ eligibility. Once the benefit was launched, they introduced additional pre-payment controls to limit potential abuse.

With the decision to rely on personal attestations, post-payment verification becomes very important. Employment and Social Development Canada and the Canada Revenue Agency are working to start their post-payment verification efforts relating to the Canada Emergency Response Benefit later this year. Their work in this area will be the subject of a future audit.

Turning now to the Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy, we observed a similar focus on getting help out quickly, in this case to businesses. Once again, the Department of Finance Canada and the Canada Revenue Agency worked together within short timeframes to support the development and implementation of the Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy.

The design and rollout of the subsidy highlighted pre-existing weaknesses in the Agency’s systems, approaches and data. These weaknesses will need to be addressed to improve the robustness of Canada’s tax system. To prioritize issuing payments, the Canada Revenue Agency chose to forego certain controls that it could have used to validate the reasonableness of subsidy applications. For example, the Agency decided that it would not ask for social insurance numbers, though this information could have helped prevent the doubling-up of applications for financial support. This decision limited the Agency’s ability to perform pre-payment validations, as did the absence of complete and up-to-date tax information that would have helped it efficiently assess applications.

I am going to now turn to our last audit, which focused on pandemic preparedness, surveillance, and border control measures.

In this audit, we found that the Public Health Agency of Canada was not as well prepared as it could have been to respond to the COVID 19 pandemic. Not all emergency and response plans were up to date or tested, and data sharing agreements with the provinces and territories were not finalized.

The Agency relied on a risk assessment tool that was untested and not designed to consider pandemic risk. The Agency continued to assess this risk as low despite growing numbers of COVID 19 cases in Canada and worldwide. In addition, the Global Public Health Intelligence Network did not issue an alert about the virus that would become known as causing COVID 19.

I am discouraged that the Public Health Agency of Canada did not address long-standing issues, some of which were raised repeatedly for more than two decades. These issues negatively affected the sharing of surveillance data between the Agency and the provinces and territories during the pandemic. While the Agency took steps to address some of these problems during the pandemic, it has much more work to do on its data sharing agreements and its information technology infrastructure to better support national disease surveillance in the future.

We also found that the Public Health Agency of Canada and the Canada Border Services Agency implemented restrictions at the border and quarantine measures. They provided guidance and tools to inform travelers and essential workers coming into the country of public health requirements. However, the Public Health Agency of Canada had not contemplated or planned for a quarantine on a nationwide scale, from the collection of travelers’ information through to all enforcement activities, including following up on those identified to be at risk of non-compliance. As a result, the Agency doesn’t know if the majority of travelers properly quarantined.

These audits looked at programs that were rolled out in record time. Faced with a pandemic, the public service focused on the pressing outcome: helping Canadians. In its first year, this pandemic has shown that when the public service must, the public service can.

This crisis has highlighted the importance of dealing with known issues, whether it’s agreeing on which organization has the lead, who will do what when, who will report what to whom, or replacing outdated systems or processes and addressing issues in data quality. These are not problems that you want to have to deal with at the same time that you are focusing on helping people, because this is not an efficient way of working, nor is it a productive way to serve Canadians. Government organizations need to do collaboration better.

Overview: Impact on CRA (from AERB)

2021 March Reports of the Auditor General of Canada Report
Report 7 – Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy

Impact on the Canada Revenue Agency

The Office of the Auditor General of Canada (OAG) concluded that the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) had to balance pre-payment controls with the rapid delivery of the Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy (CEWS).

The OAG also noted that CRA lacked sub-annual and up-to-date earnings and tax information needed to efficiently assess applications. Therefore, the CRA would have to rely mainly on costly comprehensive audits starting in the spring 2021.

The audit report contains three recommendations for the CRA. The CRA agrees with the recommendations and has has provided corresponding management responses.

Audit objective

The objective of this audit was to determine whether the Department of Finance Canada (FIN) provided analysis on the CEWS program, taking into account the Government’s objective of providing financial relief to employers and facilitating a return to economic activity, and whether the CRA administered the program in a way to limit abuse by establishing appropriate controls.

Audit scope

The audit focused on the analysis performed by FIN to support the development of the CEWS program and also on the controls implemented by CRA to ensure recipients received the prescribed amount and that CRA made adjustments to the controls where necessary.

The audit covered the period from March 1, 2020 to February 28, 2021.

Highlights

Positive observations about the Canada Revenue Agency

Negative observations about the Canada Revenue Agency

OAG recommendations and Agency response

The audit report contains four recommendations. The following three recommendations are addressed to the CRA:

  1. Recommendation.The Canada Revenue Agency should strengthen its efforts towards tax compliance for GST/HST in order to ensure that it has information needed to do validations for the programs it is administering.

    Canada Revenue Agency’s response
    Agreed. As noted in the report, in early 2020, the CRA moved quickly to build programs and related infrastructure to deliver financial support to businesses affected by the COVID-19 pandemic. To alleviate pressures on businesses and to support the implementation of pandemic response programs, the CRA shut down most of its compliance programs, including the GST/HST Delinquent Filer Program.

    In light of the new COVID-19 benefit programs, the CRA agrees with this recommendation and will seek to identify opportunities within the GST/HST Delinquent Filer Program of the Collections and Verification Branch to strengthen its efforts to improve filing compliance on the part of GST/HST registrants.

    Actions in response to this recommendation will include a review of workload selection and prioritization criteria, examination of the level and allocation of program resources, identification of potential legislative changes and increased outreach to increase compliance regarding GST/HST filing. The action plan will be completed by September 2023.

  2. Recommendation. In order to improve the integrity and validation efficiency of any future emergency programs, the Canada Revenue Agency should use automated validations with a unique identifier across programs.

    Canada Revenue Agency’s response
    Agreed. The CRA is working in partnership with TBS on their Sign-in Canada platform under the Pan-Canadian Trust Framework. Sign-in Canada will give Canadians one ‘door’, through which they can access any secure government service that requires robust identity proofing and authentication. In the meantime, we continue to enhance our own authentication and credential management systems through the addition of services like Multi-Factor Authentication. Sign-in Canada, while contingent upon many factors, is expected to become available in the next 24 to 36 months. CRA will begin to onboard once the platform is proven in production with smaller departments as early onboarders. The CRA’s Multi-Factor Authentication is currently being rolled out to all users of CRA’s portal services. Full roll-out is expected to be completed in June of 2021.

  3. Recommendation.
    The Canada Revenue Agency should strengthen the integrity of the program by using business intelligence information as soon as it is available in order to conduct targeted audits.

    Canada Revenue Agency’s response
    Agreed. The CRA agrees that the timeliness of compliance actions is important; the CRA made timeliness one of its key strategic objectives for compliance programs. In relation to the Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy (CEWS), the CRA initiated post payment audits (phase 1) in August of 2020, in relation to a new emergency program launched in April 2020. These audits were selected based on the results of pre-payment reviews conducted by technical officers, and a random sample from the remaining CEWS population. Starting CEWS audits before the end of the taxation year is an innovative approach that provides taxpayers with earlier certainty and allows for better stewardship.

    In relation to further applying business intelligence, the CRA will use phase 1 audit results to inform and enhance the risk assessment process for targeted phase 2 post payment audits starting in 2021. The CRA is continuously investing to improve its risk assessment systems and business intelligence to better focus its resources on the highest risk cases of non-compliance at a national level in a timely manner. This action plan will be completed by April 1, 2021.

News Release: ‘Statement by the Minister of National Revenue OAG performance audit of the CEWS’ (March 25, 2021)

Statement by the Minister of National Revenue the Honourable Diane Lebouthillier, on the Auditor General of Canada (OAG)’s performance audit of the Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy (CEWS)

Action Plan (to be shared with PACP)

Canada Revenue Agency detailed action plan

CEWS Claims to Date

Claims to date - Canada emergency wage subsidy (CEWS)

Issue Notes

How is the CRA implementing the OAG recommendations?

Key messages:

What pre-payment controls were used for CEWS?

Key messages:

Key messages – Use of SIN Numbers:

How does CRA use business intelligence to detect fraud?

Key messages:

CEWS and small businesses reviews and audits

Key messages:

Key messages – consultations with small businesses:

What measures are in place to prevent CEWS misuse?

Key messages:

What are the timelines on compliance activities for the CEWS?

Key messages:

How is CRA working with employers to ensure CEWS continues to provide support, while balancing compliance efforts?

Key messages:

How is CRA working to improve the administration of future emergency benefit programs?

Key messages:

How are CRA call centres managing call volumes around emergency benefits?

Key messages:

How does the publicly accessible CEWS registry work?

Key messages:

Background:

How much has the CRA spent on the CEWS (and stats)?

Key messages:

Facts:

How is the CRA ensuring that firms don’t get CEWS in respect of employees that claimed CERB?

Key messages:

PACP Committee Information

Member Profiles

Chairperson

Kelly Block (CPC)

Kelly Block

Date of Birth: 1961-11-30

Profession: Administrator

First Elected: 2008-10-14

Constituency: Carlton Trail--Eagle Creek

Key Issues raised in the House of Commons:

Written Questions:

Q-5222 — March 10, 2021 — Mrs. Block (Carlton Trail-Eagle Creek) — With regard to government contribution agreements: (a) how many contribution agreements ended or were not renewed since January 1, 2016; (b) what is the total value of the agreements in (a); and (c) what are the details of each agreement in (a), including the (i) summary of agreement, including list of parties, (ii) amount of federal contribution prior to the agreement ending, (iii) last day the agreement was in force, (iv) reason for ending the agreement?

Response prepared by FAB.

Correspondence:

N/A

Vice-Chairs

Lloyd Longfield (Lib.)

Lloyd Longfield

Date of Birth: 1956

Profession: President / manager, mechanical engineer, management consultant

First Elected: 2015-10-19

Constituency: Guelph

Key Issues raised in the House of Commons:

Written Questions:

Correspondence:

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas (BQ)

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas

Date of Birth: 1989

Profession: Administrator

First Elected: 2019-10-21

Constituency: Rimouski-Neigette--Témiscouata--Les Basques

Key Issues raised in the House of Commons:

Written Questions:

Q-4042 — February 16, 2021 — Mr. Blanchette-Joncas (Rimouski- Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques) — With regard to government spending in the ridings of Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, Avignon—La Mitis—Matane–Matapédia, Manicouagan, Montmagny—L’Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine, Papineau, Honoré-Mercier, Ahuntsic-Cartierville and Québec, since 2015 and broken down by constituency: (a) what is the total annual amount, broken down by year; (b) what is the detailed annual amount, broken down by department, Crown corporation, agency or body; and (c) what grants and contributions have been made, broken down by year according to the source of the funding?

Response prepared by FAB and SIIB.

Correspondence:

N/A.

Members

Luc Berthold (CPC)

Luc Berthold

Date of Birth: N/A

Profession: Journalist, trainer, communications director, political attaché

First Elected: 2015-10-19

Constituency: Mégantic--L'Érable

Key Issues raised in the House of Commons:

Written Questions:

Q-2872 — December 2, 2020 — Mr. Berthold (Mégantic-L'Érable) — With regard to contracts issued by ministers' offices for the purpose of media training, since December 1, 2019: what are the details of all such contracts, including the (i) vendors, (ii) dates of contract, (iii) dates of training, (iv) individuals for whom the training was for, (v) amounts?

Reply was tabled on January 25, 2021.

Q-2882 — December 2, 2020 — Mr. Berthold (Mégantic-L'Érable) — With regard to polling by the government since December 1, 2019: (a) what is the list of all poll questions and subjects that have been commissioned since December 1, 2019; (b) for each poll in (a), what was the (i) start and end date each poll was in the field, (ii) sample size of each poll, (iii) manner in which the poll was conducted (in person, virtually, etc.); and (c) what are the details of all polling contracts signed since December 1, 2019, including the (i) vendor, (ii) date and duration, (iii) amount, (iv) summary of the contract, including the number of polls conducted?

Reply was tabled on January 25, 2021.

Correspondence:

N/A

Kody Blois (Lib.)

Kody Blois

Date of Birth: N/A

Profession: N/A

First Elected: 2019-10-21

Constituency: Kings--Hants

Key Issues raised in the House of Commons:

Written Questions:

Correspondence:

N/A.

Greg Fergus (Lib) (Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister, to the President of the Treasury Board and to the Minister of Digital Government)

Greg Fergus

Date of Birth: 1969-05-31

Profession: Policy adviser, consultant

First Elected: 2015-10-19

Constituency: Hull – Aylmer

Key Issues raised in the House of Commons:

Written Questions:

Correspondence:

Matthew Green (NDP) (National Revenue Critic)

Matthew Green

Date of Birth: N/A

Profession: City councillor, executive director

First Elected: 2019-10-21

Constituency: Hamilton Centre

Key Issues raised in the House of Commons:

Written Questions:

Q-712 — September 28, 2020 — Mr. Green (Hamilton Centre) — With respect to the tax fairness motion that the House adopted on March 8, 2017: what steps has the government taken since then to (i) cap the stock option loophole, (ii) tighten the rules for shell corporations, (iii) renegotiate tax treaties that allow corporations to repatriate profits from tax havens back to Canada without paying tax, (iv) end forgiveness agreements without penalty for individuals suspected of tax evasion?

Reply was tabled on November 16, 2020.

Q-3142 — December 7, 2020 — Mr. Green (Hamilton Centre) — With regard to government business finance programs and government contracts, broken down by funding program, contracts and fiscal year, since 2011: (a) what is the total funding for (i) Facebook, (ii) Google, (iii) Amazon, (iv) Apple, (v) Netflix?

Reply was tabled on January 25, 2021.

Q-5412 — March 10, 2021 — Mr. Green (Hamilton Centre) — With regard to the CRA's decision to temporarily suspend, as of March 2020, the programs and services of "high-risk audits", "international large business", "high net worth compliance", "GST/HST audit of large businesses", "audit of complex transactions", "audit of flow-through shares" and "foreign tax whistleblower program", broken down by each of the programs and services mentioned, by month, since March 2020 to the re-establishment of the service of audits, and by risk level of non-compliance: (a) how many audits were suspended as a proportion of total audits; (b) of the audits in (a), how many are still suspended as a proportion of total resumed audits; (c) what duties were performed by the auditors during the suspension period; (d) how many files were closed; (e) of the files closed in (d), what was the average amount of time spent processing each file before a decision was made to close it; (f) of the files closed in (d), (i) how many have been assessed (ii) how many have been transferred to the criminal investigation program; and (g) what was the change in the number of auditors, in terms of full-time equivalent?

Response prepared CPB.

Q-5422 — March 10, 2021 — Mr. Green (Hamilton Centre) — With regard to Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) high net worth compliance program, broken down by year, from November 2015 to date : (a) how many audits were completed; (b) what is the number of auditors; (c) how many new files were opened; (d) how many files were closed; (e) of the files in (d), what was the average time taken to process the file before it was closed; (f) of the files in (d), what was the risk level of non-compliance of each file; (g) how much was spent on contractors and subcontractors; (h) of the contractors and subcontractors in (g), what is the initial and final value of each contract; (i) among the contractors and subcontractors in (g), what is the description of each service contract; (j) how many reassessments were issued; (k) what is the total amount recovered; (l) how many taxpayer files were referred to the CRA's Criminal Investigations Program; (m) of the investigations in (l), how many were referred to the Public Prosecution Service of Canada; and (n) of the investigations in (m), how many resulted in convictions?

Response prepared by CPB, FAB, ABSB and CVB.

Correspondence:

Philip Lawrence (CPC) (National Revenue Critic)

Philip Lawrence

Date of Birth: N/A

Profession: Financial planner, lawyer

First Elected: 2019-10-21

Constituency: Northumberland--Peterborough South

Key Issues raised in the House of Commons:

Written Questions:

Q-322 — September 23, 2020 — Mr. Lawrence (Northumberland-Peterborough South) — With regard to the Canada Revenue Agency’s approach to workspace-in-the-home expense deductions in relation to the COVID-19 pandemic’s stay-at-home guidelines: are individuals who had to use areas of their homes not normally used for work, such as dining or living rooms, as a temporary office during the pandemic entitled to the deductions, and, if so, how should individuals calculate which portions of their mortgage, rent, or other expenses are deductible?

Reply was tabled on November 16, 2020.

Q-2832 — December 2, 2020 — Mr. Lawrence (Northumberland-Peterborough South) — With regard to the section on page 116 of the Fall Economic Statement 2020, which reads, "CRA will allow employees working from home in 2020 due to COVID-19 with modest expenses to claim up to $400, based on the amount of time working from home": (a) how many Canadians does the government project will be eligible for the deduction; (b) what is the required amount of time working from home to be eligible for the full $400 deduction; (c) what is the required amount of time working from home to be eligible for a deduction less than $400, and what is the formula used to calculate the eligible deduction amount; and (d) what is the specific eligibility criteria to determine if someone who worked from home is eligible for this new deduction, as opposed to the traditional work from home deductions for individuals who worked from home prior to the pandemic?

Reply was tabled on January 25, 2021.

Correspondence:

Francesco Sorbara (Lib.) (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of National Revenue)

Matthew Green

Date of Birth: 1971-02-28

Profession: Financial analyst

First Elected: 2015-10-19

Constituency: Vaughan--Woodbridge

Key Issues raised in the House of Commons:

Written Questions:

Correspondence:

Len Webber (CPC)

Len Webber

Date of Birth: 1960-11-10

Profession: Manager, electrical contractor, business owner

First Elected: 2015-10-19

Constituency: Calgary Confederation

Key Issues raised in the House of Commons:

Written Questions:

Correspondence:

Jean Yip (Lib.)

Jean Yip

Date of Birth: 1968

Profession: Community activist, insurance advisor

First Elected: 2017-12-11

Constituency: Scarborough--Agincourt

Key Issues raised in the House of Commons:

Written Questions:

Correspondence:

Associate Member

Luc Desilets (BQ) (National Revenue Critic)

Matthew Green

Date of Birth: N/A

Profession: School principal

First Elected: 2019-10-21

Constituency: Rivière-des-Mille-Îles

Key Issues raised in the House of Commons:

Written Questions:

Correspondence:

PACP Committee Hearing Recap (April 22, 2021)

The representatives from the CRA and other governmental organizations, along with the Office of the Auditor General, were requested to appear before PACP to discuss Report 7, Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy, of the 2021 Reports of the Auditor General of Canada.

Question and Answer Portion:

PACP Committee Hearing Recap (April 27, 2021)

The representatives from the CRA and the Department of Finance, along with the Office of the Auditor General, were requested to appear again before PACP to discuss Report 7, Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy, of the 2021 Reports of the Auditor General of Canada.

The session was a continuation of the April 22, 2021 meeting. That previous meeting was suspended due to the start of Question Period as PACP had yet to conclude debate on a Luc Berthold (CPC) motion that requested CRA and the Department of Finance provide all studies, data, and analysis that were used to support the implementation of the CEWS (as well as an amendment to the motion from Greg Fergus (LIB) that would defer the motion until the OAG could re-appear at PACP before on May 6, 2021 to discuss if they had sufficient information to conduct their audit).

The start of the meeting was delayed and interrupted due to two votes in the House of Commons.

Question and Answer Portion:

CRA Follow-Up to April 22, 2021 Meeting

Follow-up to the appearance before the Standing Committee on Public Accounts (PACP)

April 22, 2021

What follows is the Canada Revenue Agency’s (CRA) follow up response to a question posed by a member of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts (PACP) during the April 22, 2021 meeting on ‘Report 7, Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy, of the 2021 Spring Reports of the Auditor General of Canada.’

For ease of reference, the relevant excerpts of the Evidence have been included to provide additional context.

Question 1

During the meeting, officials were asked to provide analysis on why the social insurance number (SIN) was not collected on the Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy (CEWS) application.

Mr. Philip Lawrence:
I'd like to continue my discussion with you, Mr. Hamilton. I want to get down to the details of the analysis that was done to not collect the social insurance number. I assume an analysis was done, and I'd ask you to share that with the committee if that's possible. What would have been the cost and the time required to include the social insurance number in the gathering of information for the CEWS?

Mr. Bob Hamilton (Commissioner of Revenue and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Revenue Agency):
Madam Chair, I'll take an initial run at that. I don't have the cost estimate in front of me. It is fair to say that as we delivered the program, as I said earlier, there was a balance between how we could get the money out more quickly versus getting as much information as we possibly could for that initial verification. To ask employers to be able to provide the SIN was determined by us to disturb that equilibrium. It would have taken too long to get it out.

Mr. Philip Lawrence:
I appreciate that, Mr. Hamilton. I understand. We've had this conversation before, so I do appreciate that you're trying to answer the question, but I'm looking for the numbers for the sake of time. Would you commit to providing our committee with the analysis that was undertaken to not gather the SIN?

Mr. Bob Hamilton:
Let me just finish the response I had, which is to emphasize again that just because we don't collect information up front doesn't mean we can never go back and find out whether something inappropriate happened. We have that back end. I wanted to make that point. I'll give my colleagues an opportunity if they have information they'd like to provide on the spot, but otherwise we'd be happy to provide you with what we can in writing after this.

Mr. Luc Berthold:
Mr. Hamilton, I want to go back to my question and state it clearly. Have you ever imposed a penalty on a Canadian who had failed to complete this kind of declaration after purchasing a microwave oven on Amazon?

CRA response

The CRA built and delivered the CEWS program in an extremely short timeframe. The Department of Finance announced details of the CEWS program on March 27, 2020. The CRA then implemented the first phase of the program on April 27, 2020, with processing implemented on May 4, 2020.  

The decision regarding whether or not to collect SINs for the CEWS program was part of a balanced approach aimed at achieving the objectives of the program, i.e., getting emergency assistance to Canadians, as quickly as possible.

Due to the urgency and tight timeframes for delivering the subsidy, a cost analysis of the collection of the SINs was not done. Nevertheless, the CRA’s decision was made by balancing several important considerations:

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